People Publius referred to in letters

written by Mark Brown

prepared for html by Eric Spierings


Contents

  1. Introduction
  2. Duncan Anker
  3. Geoff Lee
  4. John McGinnis
  5. Matt Denault (reprise)
  6. Evan Coyne Maloney
  7. John Take
  8. Douglas Adams by Matt Denault


Introduction

This updates what I posted last July 6, since now I've searched old a.m.p-f articles recovered from Robert Munafo's backup tape.

Date:     7 August 1995
Subject:  people mentioned by Publius last summer
Alain Bizzini (psauer@ulchi4.unil.ch) wrote in
"Subject: Publius : a naive question from Switzerland"

: [...] where can I find other posts like the ones which Publius : mentioned : Matt Denault, mcginni, John Take and Evan Coyne Maloney : and other stuff ?

Here's what Publius said about a few people last summer:

P: Some of you are asking thoughtful questions (a tip of the hat to
P: Geoff Lee and Duncan Anker, among others, who have contacted me
P: directly).

P> Though the newsgroup discourse is generally moving in a positive P> direction, examine in particular the posts of Matt Denault, mcginni, P> John Take and Evan Coyne Maloney for helpful clues.


As for Geoff Lee and Duncan Anker:

I did find a public letter about Publius from Duncan Anker. Publius may have complimented him only on his private letter, but in any case here's the public one. In it, Duncan refers to the following conclusion of the Publius letter of June 27:

: Remember:

: If I don't promise you the answers would you go?

: Do you think that I know something you don't know.

: - Publius

Here's the pertinent part of Duncan's article:

: From: s3026557@titanic.mpce.mq.edu.au (Duncan Anker)

: Subject: Re: T H E M E S S A G E : Date: 29 Jun 1994 04:10:09 GMT

[...]

: he got the lines around the wrong way, and there seems to be a : "don't" in there which I cannot recall from the original... and if : you want to be *really* picky, both sentences are questions. : - - : s3026557@titanic.mpce.mq.edu.au * Duncan Anker * : duncan@newling2-00.une.edu.au

- ---


I also found public articles from Geoff Lee. Once again, the Publius reference might have been only to private correspondence from Geoff, but here's what Geoff had written in the newsgroup that might possibly be pertinent. The first of these two letters wasn't specifically about The Division Bell.

:From: suslammer@sunacm.swan.ac.uk (Geoff Lee)
:Subject: Re:Dan Dare
:Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 18:05:29 GMT

: [....] I myself write music and songs...and I don't always put deep : and meaningful statements into my work...sometimes I just write an : abstract tune about an abstract idea, just like an abstract painting. : Songs that are not personal, nor really representitive my viewpoint, : but written non the less because the words seemed to have a flow and : a direction and possibly representing somebody elses viewpoint.

: Unless I told you there was no meaning to a song you probably : wouldnt be able to tell the difference. Maybe Floyd are the : same...maybe they write songs because they just seem to flow from : within... offering a view point which they could relate to though : not neccesarily hold as their own.

: What I am trying to get down to is this...just because Pink Floyd : write songs that people can interpret and relate to in their own way : doesnt mean that every song represents the lyricists personal view. : If people said that my songs were my own personal standpoint I would : look at it with a wry smile on my face! =) Ok..so PF's songs may all : be their personal viewpoint and they may all have some deeper meaning : which is not obvious unless interpreted and applied to a subject. : However I am saying give the guys a chance! People are reading things : into songs that I am sure PF would laugh at. By all means discuss : your thoughts and views on meaninings...but down ram your opinion down : peoples throats on 'This song is about ....' without some evidence : from whoever wrote it. [....]


: From: slammer@sunacm.swan.ac.uk (Geoff Lee)
: Subject: Re: ++++++++ T H E  M E S S A G E ++++++++
: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 09:26:07 GMT

:: Some of you may be beginning to understand. :: Remember: :: If I don't promise you the answers would you go. :: Do you think that I know something you don't know? :: - Publius : Yep...I have seen the lyrics to What Do You Want From Me.... : I couldnt agree more! : What exactly do people want from PF??? : Geoff


As to the other four people Publius mentioned: Matt Denault, mcginni, John Take and Evan Coyne Maloney...

Matt Denault had written to the Echoes email discussion a few days earlier with a bit of general discussion of TDB's themes and art, the use of the name Publius in early U.S. history, and also a request that people stop flaming Publius. One point he made briefly is that TDB seems to be a conceptual sequel to themes in AMLoR. (See more below.)

A letter from Mcginnis (his email address is mcginni) in Echoes later the same day mentioned the history of the name again. (See the Echoes FAQ for details.) My latest search found no newsgroup articles from John McGinnis about Publius, so I assume that Publius saw his Echoes letter. I suggest that Publius's reference to Matt Denault came from Matt's Echoes letter that same day, but I can't be positive. Here's how Matt interpreted the reference to himself last February:

MD: [...] the nature of the enigma, if it indeed exists.  It's *not*
MD: about interpreting the album; it's not about uncovering some
MD: deeper "theme" or "meaning."  It's about taking certain "clues"
MD: -- bits and pieces of the album that stand out -- and figuring out
MD: what they mean when connected together.  In other words, the
MD: solution to the enigma is probably something quite apart from any
MD: "theme" of the album itself.
MD:
MD: Yes, I know I sound like a know-it-all when I say this, but I think
MD: I have some basis: I said much the same thing in a post to the
MD: echoes mailing list, and shortly thereafter Publius said I was on
MD: the right track.  So for what that's worth...

I can't find the article Matt is talking about ('the solution to the enigma is probably something quite apart from any "theme" of the album itself.') when I search files prior to Publius's reference and a few days after it. Matt did express these ideas in September.


Evan Coyne Maloney had sent several Echoes letters repeating the thought "open your minds", both as a concept in TDB and also as a request to everyone here. He explained that flaming is pointless and that trying to solve the enigma could be an enjoyable challenge.

He was at the Meadowlands show and saw the ENIGMA PUBLIUS stage signal, so he wrote articles to Echoes and the newsgroup about it.

Here's a July 19 news article from Maloney:

: From: maloney@netcom.com (Evan Coyne Maloney)
: Subject: Publius's Message...
: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 16:48:45 GMT

: First of all, has anyone wondered if Publius could be Douglas Adams??? : He certainly has the band connection and the internet connection. And, : as a writer, would certainly be interested in the meanings of things. : Hell, Gilmour's letting him play guitar, why wouldn't he allow : "[Enigma] Publius" to be spelled out in lights.

: Now for the riddle. When I first saw the tracklist for The Division : Bell, I was particularly struck by how the track titles relate to each : other and how their meanings flow through each other, contradict each : other, etc. For example:

: Cluster One/Nearly Touching What Do You Want From Me? Poles Apart : (interesting juxtaposition to Nearly Touching!) Marooned (the result : of being Poles Apart???) A Great Day for Freedom (freedom from being : marooned?) Wearing the Inside Out (the result of too much freedom?) : Take it Back (doesn't want freedom anymore?) Coming Back to Life : (being revived, wants freedom/communication again) Keep Talking (keep : communicating) Lost for Words (but say something MEANINGFUL) High : Hopes (lost childhood, but the future, if people keep communicating, : will be better)

: Also, in concert, High Hopes followed Time/Home (Breathe Reprise). : Think of the message of Time and how that relates to High Hopes. Its : almost as if Time is the starting point and High Hopes is middle-aged : life.

: It SEEMS TO ME that The Division Bell primarily relates to aging : and/or the growth process (mentally) not only of an individual but : mankind.

: Well, that's enough theory for now... : Publius, tell me if I'm on the right track!

: Sincerely, : Evan Coyne Maloney


The news article from John Take is incomplete -- he was trying new software -- but we have more of it now than before, probably nearly all of it. Here it is: (John's at a different address these days.)

: From: jtake@rocky.civil.maligne.ualberta.ca
: Subject: Re: Publius
: Date: 19 Jul 94 10:39:54

: In light of last nights occurrences during Keep Talking, : I have a few thoughts about the massive threads which will : soon be beginning... Is it possible that Douglas Adams (who : we know is familiar with Usenet, etc..., alerted Pink Floyd : to alt.music.pink-floyd, thus leading to the >>>>>MESSAGE : thread? It's possible...

: Should we confine our discussions to this newsgroup and : Echoes, and not totally besiege Publius's anonymous account? : This might be a good idea, to concentrate the information : which will be dallied about. Maybe Publius has thoughts on t

: I pity the poor farmer who owns the fields which were used : for the TDB cover photo shoots. How long will it be before : hordes of people begin digging those fields up as a result of : Publius saying "For the ingenious person (or group of pe

: John Take


That last sentence should be of particular interest to Steelbreze.

Now, both Maloney and Take wondered if a friend of the band, author Douglas Adams, might be involved. Lest anyone think that Publius was applauding this idea, I must point out that Adams denied it last year. To make this a better reference article, I'll conclude by quoting from an article by Matt Denault in which he quoted Adams:

: From: mdenault@pomona.claremont.edu (Matt Denault)
: Subject: PUBLIUS: The Case Against
: Date: 5 Oct 94 18:00:13 PDT

: Hi all,

: I'm afraid this is another "Publius is a fraud!" post. However, : I want to be clear that I in no way intend this as a flame against : those who have invested their time and energies in the pursuit of : the "enigma." Rather, I'm trying to explain, as reasonably as I : can, why I've never supported the idea of a "designed solution" in : _The Division Bell_. On the contrary, the evidence as I see it : points to the conclusion that this is the very fact that Publius : has been trying to make clear.

[....extensive careful, thoughtful analysis deleted....]

: To wrap this up, I'd like to include a few quotes from relative : insiders in this matter. The first is from _Guitar World_ : reporter Dan Amrich: : -=-

:: To start, though, I'm pleased to report some minor news. Brad :: [Editor-in- Chief of _Guitar World_] was originally asked if :: Gilmour mentioned anything that could be construed as Publiesque :: in his recent interview. Nope, sorry, DG was silent on the issue. :: But Brad phoned up Larry Jenkins, Columbia's VP of Media, and :: asked him about the whole situation. Mr. Jenkins had no idea what :: Brad was talking about. After Mr. Jenkins received the stack of :: printouts from Brad, he called the band (or the band's people, or :: whatever assumedly impressive resources are available to a VP of :: Media) and they would neither confirm nor deny anything. Folks :: have already said, "Oh, how convenient, the guy didn't KNOW :: anything about a hidden contest..." but Brad has a rapport with :: the guy, and feels Jenkins was on the level -- Publius really was :: news to him. So I'm inclined to think that if the enigma exists, :: it's from within the band and it's not a promotional stunt by the :: label, though other folks have reported that their sources say :: otherwise, and that Columbia knows exactly what's going on. : -=-

: I'm not sure what other folks are reporting their sources as saying : otherwise. I do know thet two more people with contacts, bear (h.w. : neff) and Jordan (the guy from Planet Earth Management) have reported : that they have heard nothing regarding Publius from their sources.

: So this leaves the thought that Publius is someone within the band. : In addition to the fact that the statements of the band members : contradict those of Publius regarding any "message" in TDB, in : addition to the other bits which seem to cast doubt on this, I offer : the following, from the noted author Douglas Adams:

:: What I said was that I myself knew nothing about it, and had never :: heard Dave or Nick mention it, and that it didn't sound like anything :: they'd be bothered with. But I'm speaking from experience rather than :: specific knowledge. Everybody who writes, whether it's novels or songs :: or anything at all that happens in the public eye, knows that there :: are always a million theories about whether you meant v,w,x,y, or z :: when you said a,b or c. [...]

:: The only thing I know of that was added to a Floyd concert recently :: was a message flashed up on a screen from Dave's daughter Clare, :: wishing Dave and Polly a happy wedding. That's an actual thing to do :: with actual people. You have to remember that rock musicians, however :: talented, are just a bunch of human beings playing guitars, like :: novelists are a just a bunch of people who stare blearily at a word :: processor in the morning and maybe trying to think of something that's :: a bit funny without being embarrassingly stupid. All this secret :: message stuff is just blah.

:: So, as far as this Publius thing is concerned, I don't know anything :: for sure. All I can say is it sounds like nothing at all that the band :: would do - they're doing a serious job making sure the tour goes well :: - and sounds everything like something that a fan with too much time :: on his hands would dream up.

: Sums it up pretty well, I think...

: ciao : matt


Thanks again to Robert Munafo, who came up with the backup tape of some of last year's a.m.p-f articles, which I searched to update the above information.

Mark Brown